Comments on: Lotus Notes and Me. http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/ Just another WordPress weblog Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:06:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: SB http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-591 SB Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:45:46 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-591 It wouldnt matter what version you use...lotus notes sucks. We went from outlook, an upgraded outlook to Lotus notes. I think our company hates us from the merger and we're being punished :-(. Whoever put together this database wielding mound of poop needs 30 lashes...to begin with. And the whole thing with it coming across as plain text and not communicating with any other system makes about as much sense as the prices of gas right now...can you tell I hate lotus notes. We've been on it since August 07 and I have made it a point to say EVERY DAY...'LOTUS NOTES SUCKS' in hopes that the powers that be hear it. Tell me, what's the deal with having all those drop downs that mean nothing??? Debugger? arrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh It wouldnt matter what version you use…lotus notes sucks. We went from outlook, an upgraded outlook to Lotus notes. I think our company hates us from the merger and we’re being punished :-(. Whoever put together this database wielding mound of poop needs 30 lashes…to begin with. And the whole thing with it coming across as plain text and not communicating with any other system makes about as much sense as the prices of gas right now…can you tell I hate lotus notes. We’ve been on it since August 07 and I have made it a point to say EVERY DAY…’LOTUS NOTES SUCKS’ in hopes that the powers that be hear it. Tell me, what’s the deal with having all those drop downs that mean nothing??? Debugger? arrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

]]> By: scrooge http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-583 scrooge Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:10:14 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-583 Hi All I have worked for 4years on exchange at my previous company moved to the new company and they are using notes. Well their are a couple of things that really sucks in notes but its minor UI changes from outlook to notes. but the biggest issue is when sending mail is asking all those questions do you want to send and save save only etc etc just send the damn mail already. if you delete mail its seems to be gone nothing in trash!!!! My inbox is at 26 unread mail showing but their is no unread mail. The only upside I see for notes is the sametime for confrences thats IT!!!!!!!! I am a linux dude and here I vote for Microsoft exchange Hi All

I have worked for 4years on exchange at my previous company moved to the new company and they are using notes. Well their are a couple of things that really sucks in notes but its minor UI changes from outlook to notes. but the biggest issue is when sending mail is asking all those questions do you want to send and save save only etc etc just send the damn mail already. if you delete mail its seems to be gone nothing in trash!!!! My inbox is at 26 unread mail showing but their is no unread mail. The only upside I see for notes is the sametime for confrences thats IT!!!!!!!! I am a linux dude and here I vote for Microsoft exchange

]]> By: Shane http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-584 Shane Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:51:24 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-584 LOL! That make up some numbers and throw them around. If Lotus Notes is the best application platform for 109.5 out of 110 million users, then it's a pretty good collaborative platform. So how about Lotus Notes? Well, it works out great for our company, but that's because we aren't in that tiny percentage of companies that it doesn't work well for. I have noticed the engineers and some IT folk that have a difficult time with Lotus Notes, but most end users don't have much of a problem. LOL! That make up some numbers and throw them around.

If Lotus Notes is the best application platform for 109.5 out of 110 million users, then it’s a pretty good collaborative platform.

So how about Lotus Notes? Well, it works out great for our company, but that’s because we aren’t in that tiny percentage of companies that it doesn’t work well for.

I have noticed the engineers and some IT folk that have a difficult time with Lotus Notes, but most end users don’t have much of a problem.

]]> By: Sfar http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-576 Sfar Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:40:33 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-576 Hi Guys, interesting discussion this one. Some of you are obviously IT guys, those who decide what software to buy, and sometimes screw up when they do it. Looking "at things from a long term cost vs benefit perspective" does not mean that the UI is so bad that 109 out of 110 million users hate it. This is just plain nonsense. What benefit are we talking about? Is this a joke? Get real. Make no mistakes: a mail client software is only as good as the UI it has and no better. So if Lotus Notes sucks for 109 out of 110 Millions users, it sucks as a mail client, that's it. There will always be IT people that refuse to see the end user as part of the equation, as if this would be possible. That's why they have become more and more obsolete with the appearance of good software like SAP R/3. And yes, I am an IT guy. In summary: you can preach as much as you want but the facts speak for themselves: 109 out of 110 hate it. So how about Lotus Notes? Well, it SUCKS, big time! It's the most poorly designed software history has ever seen. It's bought by sheer bloody-minded, incompetent IT departments and good old fashioned ignorance people. Ta da Hi Guys, interesting discussion this one. Some of you are obviously IT guys, those who decide what software to buy, and sometimes screw up when they do it. Looking “at
things from a long term cost vs benefit perspective” does not mean that the UI is so bad that 109 out of 110 million users hate it. This is just plain nonsense. What benefit are we talking about? Is this a joke? Get real.
Make no mistakes: a mail client software is only as good as the UI it has and no better. So if Lotus Notes sucks for 109 out of 110 Millions users, it sucks as a mail client, that’s it.
There will always be IT people that refuse to see the end user as part of the equation, as if this would be possible. That’s why they have become more and more obsolete with the appearance of good software like SAP R/3. And yes, I am an IT guy.
In summary: you can preach as much as you want but the facts speak for themselves: 109 out of 110 hate it.
So how about Lotus Notes? Well, it SUCKS, big time! It’s the most poorly designed software history has ever seen. It’s bought by sheer bloody-minded, incompetent IT departments and good old fashioned ignorance people.
Ta da

]]> By: Jeff B. http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-580 Jeff B. Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:21:36 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-580 The whole donkey quote somewhat confuses me. The donkey does what needs to be done. Sure, you have to know how to feed it. Sure, you need to know that there are times that it needs to sleep, rest, etc. It can be tempermental, but so can everything. Certainly, if I buy a donkey, and expect it to be a pick-up truck, and only do what pick-up trucks do, and have never seen a living animal, I too would feel like the donkey only comprised of its hind-quarters, spilling out- well, you know- that stuff. It's all a matter of perspective. I'd rather have the donkey. 1 single tool that might take some time to understand, but after understanding it, I can make it do almost anything I want it to do. Not 1 tool that handles one thing, than - Oh, I need this too- "Okay, buy this now". ok. I need this now. "Okay, buy this now too." Add to that, you need to learn each of these new tools. How to develop in them. How to administrate them. How to integrate (if even possible) them. How to get the freakin things to stop blowing up when you put it on a Vista machine. I'm not sure the pick-up truck will make it across the 3 foot high stream. It'll go in, but by the time you get in the middle of it, you're stuck, it breaks down, and it will take 3 days to get it towed out (minus half the parts). The whole donkey quote somewhat confuses me.

The donkey does what needs to be done. Sure, you have to know how to feed it. Sure, you need to know that there are times that it needs to sleep, rest, etc. It can be tempermental, but so can everything.

Certainly, if I buy a donkey, and expect it to be a pick-up truck, and only do what pick-up trucks do, and have never seen a living animal, I too would feel like the donkey only comprised of its hind-quarters, spilling out- well, you know- that stuff.

It’s all a matter of perspective.
I’d rather have the donkey. 1 single tool that might take some time to understand, but after understanding it, I can make it do almost anything I want it to do. Not 1 tool that handles one thing, than - Oh, I need this too- “Okay, buy this now”. ok. I need this now. “Okay, buy this now too.” Add to that, you need to learn each of these new tools. How to develop in them. How to administrate them. How to integrate (if even possible) them. How to get the freakin things to stop blowing up when you put it on a Vista machine.

I’m not sure the pick-up truck will make it across the 3 foot high stream. It’ll go in, but by the time you get in the middle of it, you’re stuck, it breaks down, and it will take 3 days to get it towed out (minus half the parts).

]]> By: Sunny http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-582 Sunny Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:43:13 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-582 To RK: you CAN mark read / unread in Lotus (at least in 6.5 and 7). However you have to either - drill down about 4 menu levels under preferences EVERY time you want to do it, or - dig around and personalise your toolbar first (or whatever Lotus calls that process - the words are not the same.) Then once you have the appropriate icons and remember that they mean read/unread (since they are unlike any other icon anywhere) you can mark read/unread at one click. I have used Lotus for 4 years and while you can *eventually* get to a lot of the same functions and views as Outlook - with persistence - I agree, it sucks. Just now, I went to 'About' to check which version I'm on. The box with the details won't go away now! oh dear.... To RK:
you CAN mark read / unread in Lotus (at least in 6.5 and 7). However you have to either
- drill down about 4 menu levels under preferences EVERY time you want to do it, or
- dig around and personalise your toolbar first (or whatever Lotus calls that process - the words are not the same.) Then once you have the appropriate icons and remember that they mean read/unread (since they are unlike any other icon anywhere) you can mark read/unread at one click.

I have used Lotus for 4 years and while you can *eventually* get to a lot of the same functions and views as Outlook - with persistence - I agree, it sucks. Just now, I went to ‘About’ to check which version I’m on. The box with the details won’t go away now! oh dear….

]]> By: Brad Barnes http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-581 Brad Barnes Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:14:56 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-581 You should do a little research to keep from looking like a fool. If Lotus Notes is so bad then why did Bill Gates decide that the only person fit to fill his shoes upon departure was none other than Ray Ozzie the inventor of Lotus Notes? Lets consider this for a moment. Bill Gates wants to step down as chief software architect of the most powerful software company in the world and he must find a replacement. Whom does he choose? I venture to say, now I know this is a 'stretch' but how about another brilliant, sits on top of the world kind of software architect. A wise choice from the Bridge playing buddy of Warren Buffet, wouldnt you say. Your take on Lotus Notes is from your view; at the bottom. You are talking about little interface crap that only people like you care about. Those that make the worlds economies flow see things differently. They are looking at things from a long term cost vs benefit perspective. You should do a little research to keep from looking like a fool.

If Lotus Notes is so bad then why did Bill Gates decide that the only person fit to fill his shoes upon departure was none other than Ray Ozzie the inventor of Lotus Notes?

Lets consider this for a moment.

Bill Gates wants to step down as chief software architect of the most powerful software company in the world and he must find a replacement. Whom does he choose?

I venture to say, now I know this is a ’stretch’ but how about another brilliant, sits on top of the world kind of software architect. A wise choice from the Bridge playing buddy of Warren Buffet, wouldnt you say.

Your take on Lotus Notes is from your view; at the bottom. You are talking about little interface crap that only people like you care about. Those that make the worlds economies flow see things differently. They are looking at things from a long term cost vs benefit perspective.

]]> By: Richard Schwartz http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-579 Richard Schwartz Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:39:10 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-579 If your mail is marked as unread when you reply, that's got to be the result of a customization someone has done. It's definitely not the out-of-box behavior. And yes you can mark a message unread/read. While in a folder or view, just select Unread Marks from the Edit menu and you have various choices for marking all or selected messages either read or unread. Or just use the Insert key as a toggle. JD -- Thanks for the Outlook keyboard shortcut. I knew about Ctrl-N, and the fact that it is sensitive to where I am drove me crazy. (Sure, I'm mostly in my Inbox, but at least once or twice a day I'm in Calendar or Contacts and it frustrated me that there wasn't a keystroke to create a mail message.) Now that I know about Ctrl-Shift-M, I'll be a little happier -- though, come on... a three-finger shortcut as the only 100% consistent way to do the single most common operation everyone uses the program for? That's just poor design, IMHO. JonB -- Notes 8 has a completely revamped UI. The years of IBM not caring about end-user experience sre over. It will be well worth the upgrade, when you get there. If your mail is marked as unread when you reply, that’s got to be the result of a customization someone has done. It’s definitely not the out-of-box behavior. And yes you can mark a message unread/read. While in a folder or view, just select Unread Marks from the Edit menu and you have various choices for marking all or selected messages either read or unread. Or just use the Insert key as a toggle.

JD — Thanks for the Outlook keyboard shortcut. I knew about Ctrl-N, and the fact that it is sensitive to where I am drove me crazy. (Sure, I’m mostly in my Inbox, but at least once or twice a day I’m in Calendar or Contacts and it frustrated me that there wasn’t a keystroke to create a mail message.) Now that I know about Ctrl-Shift-M, I’ll be a little happier — though, come on… a three-finger shortcut as the only 100% consistent way to do the single most common operation everyone uses the program for? That’s just poor design, IMHO.

JonB — Notes 8 has a completely revamped UI. The years of IBM not caring about end-user experience sre over. It will be well worth the upgrade, when you get there.

]]> By: Rk http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-578 Rk Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:04:37 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-578 Agree with you, am having tough time figuring out Notes. If you reply to a mail, the mail is marked as unread! You can not mark a mail unread/read. Can not save a mail. Can not import/export contacts. Etc etc. Agree with you, am having tough time figuring out Notes. If you reply to a mail, the mail is marked as unread! You can not mark a mail unread/read. Can not save a mail. Can not import/export contacts. Etc etc.

]]> By: JD http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-586 JD Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:36:30 +0000 http://jdk.phpkid.org/2007/06/13/lotus-notes-and-me/#comment-586 Richard, Outlook does have global short cut for creating new email, Ctrl + Shift + M creates new email whether you are in Inbox or not. Ctrl + Shift + C to create new contact. In addition, you can use Ctrl + N to create new email if you are viewing Inbox, which you use most of the time. Richard,

Outlook does have global short cut for creating new email, Ctrl + Shift + M creates new email whether you are in Inbox or not. Ctrl + Shift + C to create new contact. In addition, you can use Ctrl + N to create new email if you are viewing Inbox, which you use most of the time.

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